Monday, March 24, 2008

Question...

I have a question. My question is why do presidents get away with extra marital sex and other politicians don't? To me, you should have the same rules for everyone to be fair. Presidents Kennedy and Clinton have had sex outside of marriage. I realize that these things are done. Senators also have sex outside of marriage. So do governor's and mayors.

Why is it that Governor Spitzer had to resign for being caught having sex with a prostitute, had to resign and Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick of Detroit was sending sexual text messages to Chief of Staff Christine Beatty, has tio be put on trial?

Yes, they are authority figures, at least to me, but our presidents can get away with it. Why the double standard?

Can anyone explain this to me?

109 comments:

Skunkfeathers said...

Beats the skunkfeathers outta me ;)

Little Lamb said...

Maybe nobody could prove it happened.

Indigo said...

My guess would be that it's a heck of a lot easier to force a lesser official to resign. To get rid of a president, you pretty much have to charge him with a felony (like Richard Nixon).

I used to loathe Clinton -- until we got saddled with Bush. I miss the "bad old days" of peace, prosperity, and a balanced budget, heh heh.

boneman said...

excuse me, the term "got away with it" eludes me. The presidents that got away with it got away with it because THEY GOT AWAY WITH IT!

(I'm not yelling. I just don't know how to work the bold italics buttons on the comments...)

Kennedy ALMOST got away with it. After he had been dead a while, that news worked its way out of a truly overly curious society that just can't get enough of hearing the dirt. That is a sad notation of mankind. Clinton did not fair so well. He was impeached. Do you fully realize why and how absolutely unethical it was to bring impeachm,ent proceedings against a man who said he didn't have sex in the White House when in fact he did, but then a man who said that there were NUCULAR WEAPONS in Iraq, but there wasn't, well saddam helped alqueda, well no he didn't, but that's the center of alqueda terrorist networks, but oh well, no I guiess not....we don't waterboard... well, yes we do.
All he has to do is get congressional oversite for his tapping but he wants to have NO oversite so he will turn the whole thing off?
And we DON'T impeach him????

Gingrich quit because there was infidelity in his marraige. THAT'S what Clinton should have done.
Resignation is a great way of saying, "Hey. I screwed up and i'm sorry and maybe I better get out'a here, eh?"
yeah.

'Course if every congressman and senator that
"procured" some sausage warmer while they were in
quit?
Well, there wouldn't be enough to vote on stuff.

Didn't the guy who was foot tapping in the boys room quit?

Pink said...

I like Spitzer and I don't think he was forced to resign. In fact, Lambie, I would say that in the case of Elliot Spitzer it showed a small restoration of integrity to admit that he had done something illegal (hiring a prostitute is still illegal) despite running his career on the basis of cleaning up corruption.

I'm sorry his good record was marred, but I was very happy to see Spitzer do the right thing and take responsibility for his error.

:)
xx
pinks

Pink said...

PS - whether my mayor, local, regional or national leader has extramarital sex is not my business. Thats between three consenting adults - the two in the marriage and the third outside party.

But, hiring a prostitute is against the law, and thats where I think Spitzer did the right thing to step down.

ok thats it.
xx
pinks

Corn Dog said...

Spitzer resigned. Clinton refused to. The big joke now is Spitzer had no scandal staying power. He could have waited it out like Clinton but he had more integrity.

Little Lamb said...

Indigo, I'll take a Republican over a Democrat any day. Democrats are way too liberal for me.

Boneman, I don't understand politics.

Pink, That's one way to look at it. And you're right, it is none of our business. It's that person's private life.

Corn Dog, I guess so

Ruela said...

Maybe the answer it's legalize prostitutes ;)

/t. said...

i'm
still
trying
to figure
foot tapping

god, i love american politics!

¤ ¤ ¤

/t.

Scary Monster said...

Me thinks that we all ought to be having more sex with each other.

"Sexually progressive cultures gave us mathematics, literature, philosophy, civilization and the rest, while sexually restrictive cultures gave us the Dark Ages and the Holocaust. Not that I’m trying to load my argument, of course. "

Alan Moore, STOMPS!!!!!

Little Lamb said...

Ruela, prostitution is legal in Holland.

/t. move here and become an Anerican.

Scary, Well, hello there stranger! It's so nice to see you.

/t. said...

LL,

i move there,
become an american...

and then i'll understand all of the excitement over foot tapping???

sounds plausible, i guess

¤ ¤ ¤

/t.

Little Lamb said...

Sure, why not?

/t. said...

or,
maybe
we could just
have your friend
dyko the clown explain it

¤ ¤ ¤

/t.

Little Lamb said...

If you think it'll help.

ANNA-LYS said...

Having sex outside of marriage happens ... having sex with a prostitute might be non-stylish, sending sexual text messages to a co-worker that is the worst terror and job harassment, that is a CRIME by the Law!!!!

I don't see any double standards (except those that doesn't understand what marriage are all about) ... I might be blind :-)

// The Blind Mouse

OneEar said...

What I don't understand is why Paul McCartney HAS to pay Heather Mills $43k per day by COURT ORDER but yet when Spitzer pays a measly $4300 for some companionship, he gets crucified. Is it because of the ceremony?

Little Lamb said...

Anna-lys, the text message thing was mutual. There was no harassment involved. The double standard here is Clinton and Kennedy had extra marital affairs and kept their jobs as presidents, and lesser politicians stepping down from their political career.

Oneear, What I don't understand is why Heather Mills wanted to divorce Paul in the first place. And Heather is not happy with that amount! She wants more!

ANNA-LYS said...

LL are they Mormons?

Do You mind if I put Your blog as a dar-link?

Ruela said...

I'm Afraid Of Americans ;)

Little Lamb said...

No they're not mormons.

dar-link? Ok, go ahead and I'll add you to my list of blogs.

Little Lamb said...

Ruela, why are you afraid of us?

Ruela said...

presidents get away with extra marital sex and other politicians don't

;)

Little Lamb said...

That's what it seems like to me.

Ruela said...

our president don't have extra marital sex

;)))

Little Lamb said...

How do you know? Maybe you have a sneaky president.

ANNA-LYS said...

Thank You <3

Ruela said...

hmmmmmmmm
is very

mr. Right ;)

but
maybe...

Little Lamb said...

Anna-lys, you're welcome. <3

Ruela, who is mr. right? I want to meet him.

Ruela said...

you want to meet our president?

nice pair ;)

Little Lamb said...

Sure, why not? Is he married?

Ruela said...

yes ;)

do you want to have extra marital sex???


;)

Little Lamb said...

No, I don't.

ANNA-LYS said...

Ha ha ha ha :-)))))

Ruela said...

good Lamb ;)

The Phosgene Kid said...

There's two kinds of law in the US. One for us and one for the rich. That's how that works.

boneman said...

wait a minute, now....

If you're married...
and you have sex with your mate....
and then one day you REALLY have sex with your mate, more than you have for a whole bunch'a times....

isn't that EXTRA marital sex?

(and, /t....
just as a friend, now....

don't tap your foot in the bathrooms over here
OR where y'all are....

trust me.....)

Little Lamb said...

Anna-lys, :-D

Ruela, ;-)

Phos, that's true and not fair.

Boneman, you have a point.

ANNA-LYS said...

Yes You where! :-)

As I told You before
You must be the fastest Little Lamborghini in space!!!!

wrooooom ................

Little Lamb said...

Maybe I am.

Indigo said...

Of course, I don't think Bush really fits the bill for "Conservative". After all, he spends taxpayer money like cash is going out of style. He expanded government. He got us into a Viet Nam-esque war. Sounds pretty Democrat to me! The ony thing really conservative about him is that he hates gays and fears science.

Little Lamb said...

It's been said he wanted to go to Iraq and finish off what his father started and get Saddam.

Also, it does seem as if he wants to rule the world. I have mixed feelings twoards Bush.

Being gay is not natural. Tha's not the way God intended it to be.

Skunkfeathers said...

Time for analysis (relevance aside): in America, it is said (by someone, somewhere, at some point) that when a man and woman get married, if they were to put a bean in a jar for every time they had sex in the first year, then remove a bean from the same jar every time they had sex after that, that they'd never empty the jar.

That may or may not be proof of dumbed-down standards in math and agriculture, but I do know that analogy was drawd up afore the advent of Viagra.

As for the extra marital stuff, beats the skunkfeathers outta me...

ANNA-LYS said...

Why is pre-side-dents the most non-clever American's You got?

carmen racovitza said...

presidents are immaterial...

they may be as stupid as they like...the stupidest they are, the better...

they are representational...mere puppets :)

Ruela said...

lol! Carmen

Little Lamb said...

Skunkfeather, Good point, whatever it may be. :-)

Anna-lys, Good question.

Carmen, that's very true.

ANNA-LYS said...

I thought YOU all vote?!?

Little Lamb said...

We all can vote, but some do not.

Indigo said...

Hi Lambie!

Now as far as God finding homosexuality unnatural, I suppose it depends on your conception of God. Sure, the Old Testament God opposed Homosexuality. Jesus, however, neither promoted it nor opposed it. In Wicca, Diety says it's *never* a sin for two people to love each other.

Just my two cents worth!

Little Lamb said...

We are not going to agree on this.

The Phosgene Kid said...

Indigo, try Buddha, he doesn't care what you do in your off time. I like the fact he was just a regular guy that stood up one day and said "I get it" and shared the secret with the rest of us and there is none of the worship me or you'll fry nonsense.

boneman said...

"Being gay is not natural. Tha's not the way God intended it to be."

Not the way God intended YOU to be.

Love manifests itself in many ways, and between two consenting adults, that may mean a myriad of things either comfortable for you or quite foreign.
I do not follow the line of following lust.
I do condone two people who find what they need in each other, no matter what sex they are.

The Bible not withstanding, one must answer this...
Is your God a mean, punishing God
or
a God of Love?
According to the Bible, take the Homosexuals out and stone them.
(could you do that?)
Take the masterbaters out and stone them.
(would you do that?)

Hateful God
or
Loving God?
What's to disagree with?
Mine is a Loving CREATOR who breathed life into me as well as all humankind.

Y'know. You might still disagree, but, how?

Little Lamb said...

My God is a God of vengence, and of love. He hates sin. He sent His Son to die on the cross for mankind's sin. But His death was not the end. Ne rose the third day that we might have life.

foam said...

okay.....
maybe you should blog about all the presidents who've had extramarital sex either during their presidency, pre presidency or post presidency ..

thomas jefferson would be a good starting start ..

grasshopper said...

Sometimes I wonder...
Isn’t it much more important to focus on president’s failure leading the nation instead the president’s failure to his wife?

But the answer to your question is; by the time they became presidents they’ve lost valuation of moral and dignity which the "lower officials" still have it (more or less).

If God thought that it’s OK to be a homosexual he wouldn’t have create Eve, he would’ve create Steve. Simple mathematic :)

boneman said...

the math doesn't wash.

To be sure, you are professing that a couple MUST be able to bear children to have a sound moral base.
Many women cannot have children. Should they not be allowed to marry?
Many men do not have the sperm it takes to have children, so, likewise banned from marraige?
Or old people? If they're over seventy, maybe they shouldn't be allowed to marry, eh? Not just because they can't have children, but rather, because THAT kind of action might just be for FUN!

And, after reading what I wrote earlier, let me throw this up.
When I told /t not to tap his foot, I wasn't saying "don't be gay"...
I was saying that bathrooms are not conducive to good relationships.

Then again, who am I to say?

ANNA-LYS said...

Hey, where are this questioning heading??? Must answers always be found in 2000 year old literature? Haven't we learn anything at all during this long time that has passed? I have learned that Chris might as well be a guy, as a girl. That goes for Jesus Maria, and a lot of other names. Do we know for sure that Eve was a female, 2000 years ago?

In concrete doesn't the bible IF we take it literally mention lots and lots of sexual relations outside the "core family"???

Even more concretely speaking - what has this with präsidents and senators to do?????

Indigo said...

Sorry... the threat got off track because i said that bush was a fake conservative whose only "core value" was the persecution of homosexuals. My fault, heh heh. Oh... btw... what happened to having a secular government? Bush should leave his dogma at he front door on those RARE occasions he bothers to show up for work.

carmen racovitza said...

be it edam and ave, then :)

Little Lamb said...

Foam, I don't know about all of them.

Grasshopper I agree with what you wrote.

Boneman, for me the math does add up.

ALnna-lys, Good question.

Indigo, stuff happens. We don't have to agree.

Carmen, whatever.

Skunkfeathers said...

We all can vote, but not all of us do. We have a lot of dead people, cartoon characters, "undocumented aliens", and transients who seem to try to vote every general election, and perhaps that has something to do with some outcomes.

As for in the presidential bedroom, beats the skunkfeathers out of me ;)

Little Lamb said...

that means you have no more feathers.

boneman said...

well, math or no math, I built a special step just for lambs so they can get into the truck.
Course, the cats both think that's lots of fun.
One of the dogs has ventured there....
I should put a picture of it in the blog so you can be sure it'll handle your weight.

By the way, how much DOES wool weigh, eh?

Little Lamb said...

Not much at all.

Indigo said...

Lambie: It's okay if we don't agree on everything. I like you fine just as you are :)

Little Lamb said...

Good. We won't agree on everything. But that's how it is.

The Phosgene Kid said...

So you're all disagreeable??

/t. said...

i agree

/t.

carmen racovitza said...

je dis:agree

Little Lamb said...

Phos, on what we believe, yes.

Indigo said...

Hi Lambie! I'm just dropping by to wish you a nice weekend!

The Phosgene Kid said...

I had kabobs - they're made out of ground lamb. Yum, yum!!!

Lexcen said...

LL, so many comments...no answer to your question. The answer is that ALL politicians are liars. An honest politician is an oxymoron. It's only the ones who are caught that suffer shame while the rest continue until they are caught.

Pink said...

uh oh...I agree to disagree and not to eat lamb kebabs. I also think that what happens behind closed doors and in the hearts of men and women is their own business as long as its in the spirit of love making and not hate mongering.

With those kinds of values, I don't think politics is moral at all.

xx
pinks

Little Lamb said...

Indigo, thank you. You too!

Phos, I hope you enjoyed them.

Lex, You're right. WE should fire the ones we have and get honest ones. Like that'll ever happen. That's the change we need.

Pink, agreed.

Sometimes Saintly Nick said...

I can't explain it.

boneman said...

...hey, no doubt.

Sometimes just can't BE explained.
Like how wool weighs almost nothing.

So you're saying that ALL the rest of that weight is YOU?!?!?

=))

Indigo said...

Just checking in again. I went to the gym and it looks like my new weight is 178. So I've lost 42 pounds from my heaviest weight. Whooo-hoo! :)

/t. said...

you
notice
how hookers
never resign after
being caught with a politician?

is that a double standard, or what!

/t.

foam said...

what was the question again?

Little Lamb said...

SSN, neither can I.

Boneman, I won't admit it. But yes the rest of the weight is mine.

Indigo, I need to loose some weight but I'm too lazy.

/t. yes it is. Now what are you going to do about it?

Foam, I forgot.

Ruela said...

hey, LL ;)

Little Lamb said...

hey ruela! ;-)

/t. said...

maybe
we should
sacrifice something

why don't you come over for a visit... bring dolly7

¤ ¤ ¤

/t.

Little Lamb said...

Why sacrifice anything?

/t. said...

why not?

/t.

Little Lamb said...

Why?

/t. said...

ok,
maybe
we could
just have a bbq

bring dolly7, have tongs

¤ ¤ ¤

/t.

Little Lamb said...

What kind of food are we going to have at the bbq?

Ruela said...

bbq???

yesssssssss

Little Lamb said...

It depends on what we're eating, Ruela.

/t. said...

i'll
only
tell dolly7

/t.

Little Lamb said...

She's not speaking to you.

/t. said...

then
the secret
dies with me, LL

/t.

Little Lamb said...

Oh well. She's afraid of you.

/t. said...

i'm
afraid
of foam...

/t.

Little Lamb said...

No, you're not.

**¤ ¤** said...

lamb kebobs here i come..\meow/

Little Lamb said...

To be certain it just better not be any of MY flock.

The Phosgene Kid said...

Tadziki with your kabobs anyone??

Pink said...

I like hummous.

But what happened to the pug in the box that my bloglines teased me with :(

xx
pinks

carmen racovitza said...

Mint-Rubbed Leg of Lamb
Though lamb is often paired with mint jelly, this roasted leg lets you leave the jelly jar in the pantry. Serve the roast medium-rare to medium, in its own juices, with a simple arrangement of spring vegetables.

Little Lamb said...

Phos, Honestly!

Pink, the picture disappeared. I'll try again. It was really a cute picture.

Carmen, Honestly!

puerileuwaite said...

Heck, if I were President, I'd demand an entire harem. It's the LEAST they could do to keep me happy.

Little Lamb said...

All right. Get back into your box.

/t. said...

"Senators also have sex outside of marriage. So do governor's and mayors."

true, but i think we have to draw the line at senators, governors, and mayors having sex outside of their offices, in public washrooms, by themselves or with each other

¤ ¤ ¤

/t.

author@ptgbook.org said...

Good question. I will give you my theory, for what it is worth.

It has to do with either support to be able to stay in office or pressure to quit from the politician's own party. If the fellow party members support you, they will fight to help you stay in office. If they want to get rid of you, they will pressure you to resign.

A politician holding an office less than the presidency is expendable from the party's point of view. They exercise damage control for the party to get rid of the politician so he doesn't embarass the party more than he already has. But if he holds the top office, he is too valuable to throw overboard, so they rally around him.

The office of the presidency is so important from the viewpoint of both parties (signing or vetoing legislation, commanding the military, appointing Supreme Court justices, etc.) as far as the power of the office is concerned, that political considerations outweigh the moral example in the minds of most political party members.

That doesn't make it is right.